My guest this week is Dr Ervin Laszlo, a philosopher and systems scientist, Nobel Peace Prize nominee, founder and president of the international think tank The Club of Budapest, and author, co-author or editor of 106 books, including The Upshift. Listen to Ervin talk about:  Why we are at a chaos point in society – and how that represents a positive evolutionary opportunityWhat Putin’s invasion of the Ukraine and other great disruptions could mean from a systems change perspectiveHow holism is a key organising principle in nature and society – and how this links to a higher purpose or spiritual forceWhy he is inviting us to join the upshift movement, a grassroots based international and intercultural movement dedicated to building a better worldWhat hopeful monsters are – and why they are necessary antidotes to the forces of aggression and breakdown in societyKey links: Ervin Laszlo (LinkedIn) The Laszlo Institute of New Paradigm Research (website) The Upshift: The Path to Healing and Evolution on Planet (book) Complexity (poem) Thriving (book) Wayne Visser (website) Wayne Visser (LinkedIn)