Today's ep is a little different - Ash has taken a few weeks off to frolic around Bali with the fam. Before he left, we recorded a very special episode with Matt's mum who happened to be in town. Ellie Johnson is a proud mum of five kids. We spoke about whether or not she planned to have such a big family, the hardest phase of parenting, what Matt was like as a teenager, the real story behind Matt's circumcision, what she thought of Laura on the Bachelor and her secret to looking so bloody good at the age of 71. Huge thanks to Ellie for being so awesome to chat to (I love you mum). Follow @twodotingdads on Instagram here. Or slide into our DM's with any Doting Dads or Mums you'd like us to interview.  See omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.