In this episode, YS Chi speaks with John Pham, the editor in chief of Cell, just the fourth in the journal’s 47-year history.  Cell is one of the world’s leading scientific journals. Anthony Fauci, the chief medical advisor to the White House held up a copy of Cell during a Congressional hearing. Cell and the papers it publishes matter. Here is the remarkable story of the fourth son of Vietnamese immigrants who never imagined himself editor in chief of one of the world's leading scientific journal. In this episode, John discusses many of the big issues in scientific publishing, from diversity and trust in science to research integrity, transparency in data and open access. He also shares his thoughts on where he hopes to take Cell in the future. These are the reflections of a reluctant leader who had a calling for science and for doing "good things to help people". This podcast is brought to you by RELX.