Well, I promised a doozie and here it is. Cris is a rockstar in my books: an ethicist who dedicates her life to helping individuals and organisations think about how they make decisions for better ethical outcomes - a task that is by no means simple given the incentives at the root of our society. She manages it with a smile, having never given in to the negative slant that we are forever mired in a world ran by bad actors. In fact, Cris holds a nuanced and hopeful outlook on the future, focusing on the opportunities whilst being mindful of the monumental challenges humanity faces. As a Director of The Ethics Centre, Cris leads The Ethics Alliance and the Banking and Finance Oath, two initiatives aimed at improving ethical frameworks and decision making in the corporate sphere. This conversation came for me at the perfect time: I had been grappling with feeling jaded about the world and about the inherent biases toward inequality written into our systems. Cris' is a level head in the room, able to see the good, acknowledge improvement and hope for the future provided an excellent counterbalance and valuable insight for me on an ever-deepening journey into understand the systems which govern humanity. Of course, we go deep on AI. We discuss what ethics really means, and how really, ethics boil down to the choices we make. We explore the propensity for humanity to be really good at correcting course just in the nick of time, what an ethics first society would look like and the importance of love and intelligence as fundamental pillars of human good. Cris is an incredible human with a brilliant mind. It was such an honour to have this conversation. I hope you enjoy it.