In this episode of Untidy we talk to Dr Ellen Joan Ford, the powerhouse behind the movement, #workschoolhours. In this conversation, we talk about the ‘juggle struggle’ and what we can do as individuals, organisations, and a society to bring about a revolutionary way of working for parents that respects their family priorities, while also making strong commercial sense for employers. Dr Ellen Joan Ford is ambitious about changing the working world. And it’s difficult to fault her logic or resist her enthusiasm. There is hope! Ellen helps organisations to improve staff wellbeing, retention, leadership, productivity, innovation and business performance. Her experience is in leadership, as well as gender, well-being and the future of work. She has led troops in the NZ Army, completed an MBA and PhD in leadership, runs her own business, and is raising two little boys. Ellen was awarded the Kiwi Bank New Zealander of the Year 2023 ‘Local Hero’ for coordinating a volunteer team that evacuated 563 people from Afghanistan to New Zealand. She is a force to be reckoned with! Follow Ellen @drellenjoanford and find her book #workschool hours and online courses at https://www.ellenjoanford.com/shop.  If you enjoy this episode of Untidy, the best way you can support us is by subscribing to the show in your podcast app by tapping the ‘+ follow’ button. That way, you’ll never miss an episode. Help us to keep building this supportive community — subscribe, share an episode with a mate, and chuck us a handful of stars (maybe 5 ...). Thank you for listening and supporting our independent production!  Untidy is made for you – the people right at the heart of this steaming hot mess we call parenthood. Follow the show and get in touch on Instagram @untidypodcast and visit Untidy podcast. Find Matilda at @matootles and get your copy of The Feel Good Guide. Find Hannah at @hannahedavison and her My Big Moments children’s books at @mybigmoments. Enter code UNTIDY at checkout for 10% off your order. See omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.