Carol Swain joins Gerald McDermott for a conversation about her chapter in the forthcoming book, "Race and Covenant: Recovering the Religious Roots for American Reconciliation." They discuss white nationalism, the new racism and identity politics.

Derryck Green joins Gerald McDermott for a conversation about his chapter in the forthcoming book "Race and Covenant: Recovering the Religious Roots for American Reconciliation." They talk about the idea of the national covenant and the Black Church's role in reconciliation, past and present.