We catch up with John Mahoney, Vice President of Digital Products at National Audubon Society for the National Audubon Society. Four years after a successful launch, we reflect on what it took to create a flexible new design system and achieve lasting change for a complex organization. A big part was “soaking in the pain.” ----more----   EPISODE LINKS  National Audubon Society John Mahoney on Twitter The Audubon Bird Guide App Birds! American Animals A Rare Copy of Audubon’s ‘Birds of America’ Heads to Auction to Benefit Conservation