Design pioneer, entrepreneur, author, and longtime friend of Mule Nathan Shedroff joins us to talk about innovation, sustainability, and the Cats trailer. Nathan co-founded one of the first web services firms ever, went on to create the ground-breaking Design MBA program at California College of the Arts (CCA), and is now executive director of Seed Vault Ltd, building an independent, trusted bot economy on the blockchain. ----more----   EPISODE LINKS  nathan.com Nathan on Twitter Make It So: Interaction Design Lessons from Science Fiction Cats (2019 film) Jupiter Ascending The US Navy will replace its touchscreen controls with mechanical ones on its destroyers Secrets of the Dead | World War Speed Banned TED Talk: Nick Hanauer "Rich people don't create jobs” Business Today Needs Deanna Troi Hot desking Design is the Solution