I spoke with Dr Cobus Oosthuizen about the implications of the Fourth Industrial Revolution (4IR) for organisational leaders, and how leaders can orientate themselves for a future of exponential automation across the various sectors of the economy. Cobus is the Dean of Postgraduate Business Programmes at Boston City Campus, South Africa. His research focus is on leadership cognition, mental modalities, and neuroplasticity to enact peak leadership performance. He is a member of the Southern Africa Institute for Management Scientists (SAIMS) and an endorser to the Responsible Research in Business Management (RRBM) initiative. He serves on the conference board of the International Business Conference (IBC), and is also a member of the Principles of Responsible Management Education (PRME) Africa Chapter Steering Committee. In April of this year (2023), Cobus received the Morné Mostert award for a Futures-related PhD thesis at the Stellenbosch Business School: “A 4IR Integrated intelligence Taxonomy and Measurement Framework for Top Management.” Cobus holds a PhD in Entrepreneurship and a PhD in Leadership (Futures). Link to publications: https://www.researchgate.net/profile/Jacobus-Oosthuizen