Activists fighting against anti-black racism in Canada and the U.S. have been pushing governments to defund the police for years. And until now, that idea has mostly been dismissed as a leftist fantasy. But in the wake of the anti-police brutality protests, that seems to be changing. Today, we’re joined by Sandy Hudson, co-founder of Black Lives Matter Toronto, and Alex Vitale, a professor and author of ‘The End of Policing,’ talk about this idea and whether it’s a possibility.