In this special episode of 'Waiting To Be Signed,' the hosts interview Kevin Esherick. They discuss his journey into coding and art, his innovative 'Material' jeans project, and his notable critique on generative art titled 'Generative Anesthetics.' Kevin also shares insights into the current and future landscape of art influenced by blockchain and AI, including his latest project to train an AI to autonomously produce art in his style. 00:00 Introduction and Guest Welcome 00:55 Kevin's Background and Journey into Coding 05:27 Kevin's Collaborative Jeans Project, Material and Introduction to NFTs 16:44 Generative Art Critique and Writing Process 23:13 Community Reactions to 'Generative Anesthetics' and Market Dynamics 37:14 Exploring the Spiritual and Abstract in Art 38:45 Balancing Retinal and Conceptual Art 39:43 Evaluating Art: Historical References and Originality 43:55 AI Art and the Concept of MangleCore 55:23 The Future of AI in Art and Society Follow Kevin on Twitter @kev_esh and learn more about his work at esherick.studio Follow us on Twitter @waitingtosign and Farcaster @wtbs Episode Art: Icarus by Kevin Esherick Intro & Outro tracks by PixelWank