This month we talk about the FinOps Framework. The Framework has been vastly improved and updated to match what FinOps practitioners are doing, in the tranches.  Who better than Rob Martin to guide us into the Framework?  No-one. And we like him so much that he is the first returning interviewee.  ---  In this episode, we (SteveO and Frank) interview Rob Martin from the FinOps Foundation to discuss the recent updates to the FinOps framework.  We talk about the process of updating the framework, the changes made to the domains and capabilities, and the importance of simplifying the language.  We also discuss the first steps for organizations and individuals new to FinOps, including using the framework sub-site and conducting a maturity assessment.  The conversation also touches on the significance of visibility and transparency in building trust within the organization, the different personas involved in FinOps a new type of persona called 'allies' The conversation also touches on the upcoming changes to the framework, including updates to the certifications and training. We introduce some of the FinOps upcoming events, including the Members' Summit, FinOps X, and FinOps XE.