What does it mean to have a lab, and who is part of it? In this episode, Jess and Sara describe their experiences with different lab setups and structures, and how they manage their meetings with students, projects, and collaborators. We discover that Sara has been using a lab management and productivity tool secretly for years! Our systems for working with our labs, projects, and students are always changing, and Sara might be a bit too addicted with trying to find the best combination. Links from this episode: Book about managing a lab that Jess mentions: At the Helm: Leading your Laboratory by Kathy Barker. The author also has “At the Bench”.  Connect with the podcast on twitter @within_between, or email us letters about developmental science at [email protected]. More episodes and podcast information at WithinandBetweenPod.com. Follow Dr. Hart on twitter @Saraannhart Follow Dr. Logan on twitter @Jarlogan. Our theme music was composed by Jason Flowers. Our logo was created by Nathan Archer. This is Season 2 Episode 5, it was recorded on December 13, 2020.