CW: This episode features discussion of baby loss. Michelle was told at 37 weeks pregnant that, devastatingly, her baby no longer had a heartbeat. She talks Clemmie through how, with the help of her midwife, she was able to birth her baby vaginally and spend time with her before she and her husband left the hospital. Clemmie and Michelle discuss how she felt when the unthinkable happened, how they managed to find moments of light and hope alongside their grief, and how Michelle and her husband keep Orla’s memory alive. They also take a question about how to approach giving birth again after a traumatic birth. For information and help on the subject of baby loss, visit: sands.org.uk tommys.org/baby-loss-information-and-support If you have any concerns about your baby’s movements at any stage in your pregnancy always call your hospital and speak to a midwife. For more information please visit: kickscount.org.uk Michelle's blog From The Other Chair explores baby loss, pregnancy and parenting after loss as well as mental health: fromtheotherchair.co.uk Michelle is a Clinical Psychologist and her professional website has lots of information about mental health and wellbeing and the evidence based therapies that can help: talkingheads.org.uk Follow Clemmie's Mother of Daughters account: instagram.com/mother_of_daughters/ Follow Clemmie's Gas and Air account: instagram.com/gasandair/ Clemmie's book How to grow a baby and push it out is available now: amazon.co.uk/How-Grow-Baby-Push-Out/dp/1785040383 Birth Stories is produced by Hannah Varrall and created by Off Script *This podcast is not to replace medical advice. Always speak to your midwife or doctor if you have any concerns.* For information regarding your data privacy, visit acast.com/privacy