You've probably encountered online what is often labeled 'Abandoned Places Porn'. Artistic photography of disused theme parks, factories and that sort of thing. Our guest on today's show is the author of widely acclaimed, and Baillie Gifford Prize shortlisted book, Islands of Abandonment, an in depth exploration into the places where nature is flourishing after humans have left. She talks to Robin about the book, the myths around these sorts of places, science fiction, Chernobyl and much more. Extended edition, as ever, for Patreon supporters. Sign up at patreon.com/bookshambles