In what ways are public servants ChangeMakers, and how can advocacy groups build more powerful relationships with them? This chat is with one of Australia’s most senior former public servants - Peter Shergold - who was a senior official in both the Hawke Labor Government and the Howard conservative Liberal Government. He shares stories about what it is like to work in the public service, and the challenges and limitations that it brings. He gives us an insight into what public servants are doing right now as they prepare to support a new Federal Government in Australia, on the issue of climate change. For more on ChangeMakers check us out:  Via our Website - https://changemakerspodcast.org  On Facebook - https://www.facebook.com/ChangeMakersPodcast/  On Twitter - @changemakers99 or @amandatatts  See omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.