While the world is striving to stop catastrophic climate change, there is plenty of conflict over how climate campaign goals are chosen and the language that is used to express them. A key fault line is between the Global North and Global South and whether campaigns about energy transition are imposed onto communities, or connected to solutions that create broader economic, social and cultural justice. Ruchira Talukdar, a climate activist in India and Australia has lived and studied these tensions. In this chat we explore what is going wrong, and how listening and embedding climate work in community empowerment - like we see in Indian anti-extractivist campaigns - could signal a way forward. For more on ChangeMakers check us out: Via our Website - https://changemakerspodcast.org On Facebook - https://www.facebook.com/ChangeMakersPodcast/  On Twitter - @changemakers99 or @amandatatts  See omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.