Frank Kim, the Lead for the SANS Cloud Security and Security Leadership curriculums, joins Brandon Evans to discuss how these areas intersect, the role cloud technologies and vendors play in the People, Process, and Technology Framework, why developers who introduce security flaws today can become the security experts of the future, and the importance of staying curious about cloud trends like multicloud and DevOps. Our Guest - Frank Kim Frank is the Founder of ThinkSec, a security consulting and CISO advisory firm, as well as a SANS Fellow and lead for both the SANS Cybersecurity Leadership and SANS Cloud Security curricula, overseeing two dozen SANS courses in the two fastest growing curricula. Previously, as CISO at the SANS Institute, Frank led the information risk function for the most trusted source of computer security training and certification in the world. Frank is also the author and instructor of MGT512: Security Leadership Essentials for Managers, MGT514: Security Strategic Planning, Policy, and Leadership, and co-author of SEC540: Cloud Security and DevSecOps Automation. Follow Frank Kim Twitter: https://twitter.com/fykim LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/frank-kim/ Web: https://www.sans.org/profiles/frank-kim/ Resources mentioned in this episode Support for Cloud Ace podcast comes from SANS Institute. If you like the topics covered in this podcast and would like to learn more about cloud security, SANS Cloud Security curriculum is here to support your journey into building, deploying, and managing secure cloud infrastructure, platforms, and applications. Whether you are on a technical flight plan, or a leadership one, SANS Cloud Security curriculum has resources, training, and certifications to fit your needs. Focus on where the cloud is going, not where it is today. Your organization is going to need someone with hands-on technical experience and cloud security-specific knowledge. You will be prepared not only for your current role, but also for a cutting-edge future in cloud security. Review and Download Cloud Security Resources: sans.org/cloud-security/ Join our growing and diverse community of cloud security professionals on your platform of choice: Discord | Twitter | LinkedIn | YouTube