This week we chat with Ansel Sermersheim and Barbara Geller about Copperspice, Doxypress, csLibGuarded and kitchen utensils. We find out that Barbara and Ansel are not just library people but are actually programmers - and programmers that know how to build abstractions. We chat about why they started CopperSpice, how it got it's name, and what else they've been working on. Special Guests: Ansel Sermersheim and Barbara Geller. Links: CopperSpice — The main siteDoxypresscsLibGuardedCopperSpice YouTube channelCopperSpice subscriptions — If you want to pay for priority supportCLion with Docker — Phil's recent video and blogMeeting C++ surveyC++ on Sea workshop speakersCore C++ Call for Speakers — Open until 15th February!CPPP Call for Speakers — Open until 29th February!Sean Baxter on CppCast — Talking about CirclePhil, Adi and Fred on CppCast — Talking about first time conference organisingSean Baxter on cpp.chat — The original :-D