In this conversation, Rupert shares his journey of growing heritage grains and the importance of cross-pollination and adaptation in the field. He emphasizes the relationship between wheat fields and forests, highlighting the need for biodiversity and relationship. Rupert and Daniel also discuss the impact of capitalism on farming and the search for meaning in the face of challenges. They explore the connection between death and capitalism, and the need for emergence and relationship in rewilding and baking. The conversation concludes with a reflection on the transformative power of bread making and the importance of finding meaning and relationship in farming. Watch this Episode on YouTube: YouTube Link! Rupert is available to support farmers, individuals and organizations with advice, mentoring and support with sourcing, growing, milling and baking with heritage grains as well as the design for regenerative cultures for organizations. He can be contacted at [email protected] where you can also pre-register for a copy of the 'Peasant Bakery Toolkit'. Takeaways Growing heritage grains involves cross-pollination and adaptation in the field, leading to a diverse and ever-changing population of wheat varieties.The relationship between wheat fields and forests is important, as the presence of trees and other plants enhances biodiversity and flavor in the grains.The impact of capitalism on farming has led to a loss of meaning and relationship, but there is a growing movement towards regenerative practices and community building.Finding meaning in farming requires embracing the unknown and being open to emergence, as well as maintaining a deep relationship with the land and the process of growing food.