In this conversation, Dugald Hine of the Dark Mountain Project and A School Called HOME and the author of the book, At Work In The Ruins, discusses the limitations of science in addressing climate change and the need to question and reevaluate our understanding of the issue. He emphasizes the importance of embracing vernacular knowledge and ways of knowing, as well as living in hope and embracing the home, the community. Hine also explores the need for a new narrative that goes beyond the singularization of knowledge and the supremacy of science. He discusses the concept of coming home and the work of regrowing a living culture, as well as the role of hospitality and conviviality in creating a sense of home. Overall, the conversation highlights the importance of turning inward and embracing home as a way to navigate the challenges of climate change and create a more sustainable future. Watch this Episode on YouTube: YouTube Link! Takeaways Climate change raises questions that go beyond what science can answer, necessitating a reevaluation of our understanding of the issue. The singularization of knowledge and the supremacy of science limit our ability to address climate change effectively. Embracing vernacular knowledge and ways of knowing, as well as living in hope and embracing depth education, can provide alternative paths forward. Creating a sense of home and regrowing a living culture are essential for navigating the challenges of climate change and creating a sustainable future. Hope is not a fixed concept but rather an empty palm into which something might land. Embracing uncertainty and letting go of the need to know the future is essential. Taking responsibility for the present and future is crucial in addressing global challenges. Getting implicated and actively engaging with the realities and needs of the world can lead to meaningful action.Dougald Hine is a social thinker, writer and speaker. After an early career as a BBC journalist, he cofounded organizations including the Dark Mountain Project and a school called HOME. He has collaborated with scientists, artists and activists, serving as a leader of artistic development at Riksteatern (Sweden’s national theatre) and as an associate of the Centre for Environment and Development Studies at Uppsala University. At Work in the Ruins concludes the work that began with Uncivilization: The Dark Mountain Manifesto (2009), co-written with Paul Kingsnorth, and is his second title with Chelsea Green, following the anthology Walking on Lava (2017). Learn more about Dougald here: dougald.nu/about Learn more about Daniel here: danielfirthgriffith.com Join Daniel's Substack here: danielfirthgriffith.substack.com