Michael hosts the Talk Python podcast, co-hosts Python Bytes, and runs courses at Talk Python Training. We discuss his recent shift to mainly self-hosted open-source options for everything from marketing emails to analytics and more.

Çağıl is a Lead Backend Engineer at Kraken Tech, Django Software Foundation Vice President, and Django London Meetup co-organizer. We discuss her background studying computer science in Turkey, organizing DjangoGirls and Python events in Istanbul, and her current work today.