This is part 3 of a series where Christofer investigates the ideas of David Chapman with his friend Jake Orthwein. The material covered is mainly from Chapman's two books: 'Meaningness' (meaningness.com) and 'In the Cells of the Eggplant' (metarationality.com). In the third episode they focus on the different ways Chapman and Sam Harris speak about the central insight of Dzogchen. They talk about the self as an illusion, rigpa, the four naljors within Dzogchen, emptiness, sutric renunciation and dangers of 'no-self', intermittently continuing, embodiment, Nietzsche’s true world theories, spiritual bypassing, comparing non-duality and emotional fluidity, and why Chris thinks Sam Harris might be mistaken about the value of engaging with one's repressed emotional material. Jake Orthwein is a writer and filmmaker based in Santa Monica, CA. He studied film and cognitive science at the University of Southern California and currently works as Director of Media for the Psychology of Technology Institute, an academic non-profit focused on improving research on the human-technology relationship. He is also a long term meditator. Twitter: https://twitter.com/JakeOrthwein Website: https://frameproblems.com/ Support the podcast at: patreon.com/doexplain (monthly) ko-fi.com/doexplain (one-time) Find Christofer on Twitter: https://twitter.com/ReachChristofer