Trudy MacNabb is the Co-Founder of Design Packs, a quick and easy way to customize your Shopify store and add new modules directly to your current theme. Design Packs is built by a nimble women-led team who have been working in the Shopify space since 2014. They have a strong desire to create awesome products for merchants that are both easy to use and add a ton of value to stores.  Trudy is also the Co-Founder of Up at Five, a digital studio focused on data-driven web applications. She has been running Up at Five for over five years and has worked with clients such as WWF, Canada Learning Code, Jenny Bird, and more. Having been a mainframe developer, she has a deep knowledge of both front-end and back-end development. On this episode, Trudy and I discuss app development, theme development, the differences between the two, and much more.