Moiya is joined by fantasy writer John Bierce who wanted to imagine a world where two drastically different species meet. What they create involves volcanoes, sneaky gossip, complicated social dynamics, and everyone's favorite kind of multipurpose hole: a cloaca! HOSTED by Dr. Moiya McTier (@GoAstroMo), astrophysicist and folklorist GUEST John Bierce is a fantasy novelist and history buff who loves to imagine science-inspired worlds. Follow him on twitter at @john_bierce and look for updates on his website johnbierce.com. MIDBREAK Check out Multitude's Podcasting Classes at multitude.productions/classesOrder my book, THE MILKY WAY: https://www.grandcentralpublishing.com/titles/moiya-mctier/the-milky-way/9781538754153/BUY EXOLORE SWAG: store.dftba.com/collections/exolore FIND US ONLINE patreon: patreon.com/exolorepodtwitter: twitter.com/ExolorePodinstagram: instagram.com/exolorepodwebsite: exolorepod.comsubreddit: reddit.com/r/ExolorePod CREDITS Music: https://www.purple-planet.comCover art: Stephen J. Reisig, http://stephenjreisig.com/Editing: Mischa Stanton, https://www.mischastanton.com/  ABOUT US How would you like to swim in an ocean ruled by matriarchal squid, or fly over a planet as it rotates with a swarm of migrating wasps? No, it's not the latest VR craze (... yet); it's Exolore! Exolore helps you imagine other worlds with the help of facts and science. Every other week, host Dr. Moiya McTier invites experts to build a world from scratch or sits down with a fiction fan to dive deep into their favorite worlds. Every episode will make you laugh, go "huh?" and appreciate how special our world really is. Exolore is a member of Multitude Productions, an independent podcast collective and production studio.