In this episode we have legendary Robert Uncle Bob Martin come over to talk about Clean Code, professionalism, and courage. We cover: - the impact of Clean Code on businesses' ability to change software and make money - management pushback on applying Clean Code practices and how to handle it - how managers get to the truth and how developers get to the truth - professionalism, courage to take risk and saying NO despite potentially being fired - writing tests to reduce risks working with legacy (and not legacy) code - code ownership and pair programming - following the code rules you establish - a rapid questions round - ask listeners' questions - and much more