It can be argued that Ron is the guy who did most of the heavy lifting in the creation of the Pacific NW Hardcore scene. Dave makes that argument frequently, but finds little to argue about in this lengthy conversation that covers such topics as Ron’s struggle to make it through to graduation without getting kicked out of high school for a final time, a bold haircut decision that lost him a girlfriend but put him on the road to the Straight Edge and being asked to join the band BROTHERHOOD, and the process of selecting the workers that will labor to help you build your Hardcore pyramid.