In this episode Rich speaks with André Henry from Venmo. Topics include: How André’s mom was the first programmer he knew, working at ISPs in the 1990s, why infrastructure engineers love abstractions, Kubernetes is not a PaaS, how Docker nailed developer experience, and what may be coming for distributed computing. There was a recording problem with André’s audio and it’s not the clearest. It’s all Rich’s fault. But bear with it, André has some fascinating things to say.