For our latest podcast, I interviewed Stephen Kantrowitz of the University of Wisconsin about his new book Citizens of a Stolen Land: A Ho-Chunk History of the Nineteenth-Century United States. We talked about a lot of big picture issues in this conversation, including the struggles of liberals to take our terrible history with Native Americans as seriously as we do Black history, what it is like to teach the Civil War era at a northern university and how centering Native history cuts against the “we’re good, the South is bad” narrative that northern students love these days, the ways in which the nation defined citizenship to exclude indigenous people, how the Ho-Chunk were able to adopt some of this language to create some legal claim on their land, etc. We also closed with me asking if it is time for a new big history of Reconstruction to replace Eric Foner’s great work since that work is now old enough that it doesn’t cover any of the new material on Native history in Reconstruction, which is not only a huge piece of the historiography, but which also severely undermines his narrative of freedom. It was a great conversation and a great book. Check it out! Transcript is here. The LGM podcast is now available from a variety of corporate overlords, so please perform freedom by making your consumer choice. We would very much appreciate reviews, whether of the thoughtful written variety or just by clicking on the appropriate star. The podcast is time-consuming and expensive, so also contemplate tossing a nickel in the jar. * Apple Podcasts * Android * Google Podcasts * Podchaser * Podcast Index * Subscribe by E-mail * Audible * Amazon Music