How do we motivate kids to be high achievers? The answer may be different than you think. In this conversation MTJAS podcast host Karen speaks with the director of a learning center for adolescents, George Popham of Bay State Learning Center (the center which Karen's sons attend.) George digs into the differences between intrinsic and extrinsic motivation, how achievement will come – but only after a teen feels engaged – and what that really looks like in a school setting. Hope you enjoy today's conversation! Key Links in this episode For great research on intrinsic and extrinsic motivations, click the link below for researcher Carol Dweck: https://mindsetonline.com/abouttheauthor/ Click here for Daniel Pink's TED talk, which George cites in our conversation as a great resource for understanding motivation. https://www.ted.com/talks/dan_pink_on_motivation