My guest today has been sober for over 37 years. He has published several books including “Conscious Recovery, A Fresh Perspective On Addiction”. TJ is a featured thought-leader on wholehearted.org along with Dr. Gabor Maté and Marianne Williamson, and was given the honor of being ordained as an Agape minister by Dr. Michael Beckwith.   When I listened to the audible version of his book, I was intrigued by some of his ideas that challenged some of my own personal beliefs about 12 step programs. Ideas that imply that a dependency on anything outside ourselves is just another substitute for what we’re addicted to.   He actually makes a compelling case that while the 12 step program is great, especially in the beginning of recovery, and that there is more to explore beyond the rooms.  We’re going to talk about how to heal through unlearning, how to build self-trust, and how to move past trauma, toxic shame and disconnection.   And if you enjoy this episode, please be sure to share with a friend and leave us a review on Apple podcasts.   I’m really excited to share this conversation with you, so without further delay, please enjoy this episode with TJ and let me know what you think!   Subscribe So You Don’t Miss New Episodes! Listen to the episode on Apple Podcasts, Spotify, Podcast Addict, Google Podcasts, Amazon Music, or on your favorite podcast platform. You can watch the interview on YouTube here. Be Sure To Subscribe So You Don’t Miss New Episodes!