Hosts Jenna and Liz tackle a variety of critical and often controversial topics within the horse showing industry. They discuss the pressures and costs associated with horse showing, touching upon the expenses reported by participants and questioning the value it brings when balanced against the emotional and financial toll. They also delve into the issues within the training industry, highlighting the necessity for professionalism and business acumen among trainers, and the negative impacts of poor business practices on clients and the industry at large. The hosts reflect on the toxic dynamics that can exist between trainers, owners, and the broader community, emphasizing the need for open, honest conversations and a collective effort towards making the horse showing world a more inclusive, transparent, and supportive space. Throughout the episode, they call for greater unity, understanding, and change within the industry, advocating for a shift in perspective towards more humane, ethical, and sustainable practices that prioritize the welfare of horses and the well-being of all participants. 00:00 Welcome to the After Hours Episode! 01:13 Diving into Podcast Growth and Listener Engagement 04:57 The Evolution of Pay-to-Play in Horse Shows 18:49 Judging Standards vs. Trends: Navigating the Confusion 31:22 Fitness and Riding: Elevating Your Performance 32:33 Trainers vs. Business People: A Candid Discussion 45:36 Addressing Toxicity and Gaslighting in the Horse Industry 46:08 The Court Case Controversy and Professional Responsibility 47:28 The Role of Amateurs and Professionals in Animal Welfare 51:29 Personal Experiences and the Impact of Social Media Backlash 55:15 The Quest for Positive Change and Industry Reflection 56:43 Navigating Social Media and the Desire for Constructive Conversations 01:07:25 Financial Realities and the Cost of Horse Showing 01:13:55 Closing Thoughts on Industry Challenges and the Need for Openness