This episode comes out for free on 9/1, and is available early and ad-free for Wondery+ subscribers. Actress and influencer Cara Santana was living the dream. Her self-named fashion line was selling at Kohl’s stores across the nation and businessmen like Marcus had noticed the brand. But then Covid hit and a little pandemic clause in her contract left herself and her design partner at an impasse. Because Marcus believes that the ability to pivot in life and in business is one of the keys to success, he invited his friend, fashion mega-mogul Nicole Miller, on to share her ups and downs. She has weathered design trends, recessions, and even 9/11, and has some unbelievable stories to share about never giving up.