We talk a lot about automation and orchestration and how they can change your network strategy and smooth network workflows. But not everybody wants to sit around writing code and building test labs to validate the code you’ve written. Sponsor BackBox has a range of tools to help you get beyond day-to-day administration with its low-code approach to automation. Greg and Johna talk with Josh Stephens and Chanoch Marmorstein from BackBox about its network automation software, how it fits into a network operations strategy, and how BackBox focuses on the network engineer. Find out more about BackBox at backbox.com/packetpushers/.