On this episode of Point of Relation, Thomas is joined by internationally renowned researcher, educator, and author Dr. Joy DeGruy. They discuss how fear and ignorance impact our ability to recognize our fundamental oneness, and what’s needed for American society to come together to heal our collective wounds. Dr. DeGruy has spent a lengthy career in what she calls “heart work” - bringing people together to share their stories and generate a level of intimacy, empathy, and understanding that can only be gained through first-hand experience.  She and Thomas explore how trauma has been normalized for marginalized groups and the need for those with privilege to examine their biases, particularly anti-black racism, and use their power to advocate for what’s right. They discuss our collective tendency to try to avoid feelings and upsetting information, and how we must do the opposite and lean into these difficult learnings and conversations in order to stop repeating the harms that sow division.  ✨  Join Thomas for a free, live online event with Q&A - The Evolving Map for Trauma Healing 👉 https://www.navigatingthelevelsoftrauma.com/event Explore new ways to support both yourself and your clients in managing the stress and anxiety of collective change. Learn tools and to stay present, responsive, and connected during times of change and uncertainty. This enables us to be an active participant in what's happening in the world, and help others who are experiencing dysregulation.  Register for free at the link above. ✨ Order Thomas’ new book, “Attuned: Practicing Interdependence to Heal Our Trauma–And Our World” here: 👉 https://www.attunedbook.com/  ✨ Sign up for updates by visiting our website: 👉 https://pointofrelationpodcast.com    Dr. Joy DeGruy is an internationally renowned researcher and educator. For over two decades, she served as an Assistant Professor at Portland State University’s School of Social Work and now serves as President and Chief Executive Officer of Joy DeGruy Publications Inc. Her research focuses on the intersection of racism, trauma, violence, and American chattel slavery. She conducts workshops and trainings in the areas of intergenerational/ historical trauma, mental health, social justice, improvement strategies, and evidence-based model development. Dr. DeGruy has published numerous refereed journal articles and authored her seminal book entitled Post Traumatic Slave Syndrome: America’s Legacy of Enduring Injury & Healing. Learn more here: 👉 https://www.joydegruy.com Thomas Hübl, PhD, is a renowned teacher, author, and international facilitator who works within the complexity of systems and cultural change, integrating the core insights of the great wisdom traditions and mysticism with the discoveries of science. Since the early 2000s, he has led large-scale events and courses on the healing of collective trauma.  In addition to Attuned, he is the author of Healing Collective Trauma: A Process for Integrating Our Intergenerational and Cultural Wounds. He has served as an advisor and guest faculty for universities and organizations, as a coach for CEOs and organizational leaders, and is currently a visiting scholar at the Wyss Institute at Harvard University. ✨ Connect with Thomas here: Website: https://thomashuebl.com/ Facebook: https://facebook.com/Thomas.Huebl.Sangha/ Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/thomashuebl/ Twitter: https://www.twitter.com/ThomasHuebl YouTube: https://youtube.com/@thomashuebl