Krispin and DL interview Grace Baldridge (who performs music under the name Semler). We talk religious trauma and cringe-worthy middle school stories. We reference the songs Toby Mac and Wanna Grab Coffee? by Semler We talk about the book about martyrs title Jesus Freaks, which DL talked with their sisters about a few episodes back. Make sure to check out Grace's docuseries, State of Grace. Our favorite episode is "The Life Threatening Dangers Of Gay Conversion Therapy," where they interview Jackie Hill Perry. We’d love for you to consider joining our patreon community to support this podcast.  You can find us on Twitter and Instagram. Thanks to Bonnie Downing for helping with transcription for this episode. You can find the transcript our website.