Within calls for transformation, there seems to be a hunger - a hunger to slow down, spend time healing, and to feel more connected; to ourselves, to each other, and to the ecosystems we are a part of. But how can that happen? And can we create that kind of healing at scales large enough that it will contribute to the kinds of transformations that may create a different kind of future. In this episode, Stockholm Resilience Centre's Michele-Lee Moore talks to two experts on what it takes to step away from the status quo and established modes of thinking. Dr. Vanessa Andreotti is an expert on race, inequality, and education and focuses on collective processes for both healing and re-thinking how we create alternative futures, and Dr Per Espen Stoknes, is a psychologist and expert on scenarios and sustainable economics. Together they unravel some of the obstacles that exist for transformation to really happen. See acast.com/privacy for privacy and opt-out information.