Jumy is a positive reinforcement horse trainer from  the U.A.E.  who opened her own livery yard, malath paddock paradise, 3 years ago, but she’s been in the industry for 13 years already. I ask lots of no doubt cringe worthy questions, as I know nothing about horses, and we touch upon a ton of things. Of course I want to know how Jumy ended up in the force free training world. Unlike many dog guardians it wasn’t because she had exhausted punitive methods or because her horse had behavioral problems.  Rather it was trick training that sparked the idea of using positive reinforcement training to train all kinds of behavior. If you can use it to teach a horse tricks, why couldn’t you use it to teach other behaviors after all? Being a trailblazer had both upsides and downsides. The biggest positive was that she never fell into any kind of trap of wanting to be able to do it all and know it all at once. She simply had to follow a try-as-you-go path of discovery. When her clients find her though, it usually is because they are experiencing problems with their horses.  So we discuss Jumy’s approach to dealing with horse guardians who may be using tools on their horses that she doesn’t necessarily agree with.  Her assumption is that the guardian loves their horse. She never wants to shame them or make the feel guilty about their choice of tool. Rather she lets them draw their own conclusions.  So what about the differences?  With the horse being a prey animal and the dog being a predator, Jumy explains how that affects the required rate of reinforcement.  Then there is natural horsemanship. Jumy explains her views on that and how horses who are trained with that method can mentally shut down. Naturally, I ask about her dogs who live at the stables and are allowed to free roam. Funnily enough, they chill most of the time, unless they are breaking up horse fights or they decide to come along on a hack with the horses, that is. Finally, Jumy explains her criteria for canceling a session with a horse when she isn’t in the right mindset herself, and what the alternatives are, such as adapting the type of the session to her energy levels. Links: https://kajsavanoverbeek.com/028-jumy-on-no-longer-wanting-to-be-the-only-r-plus-horse-trainer-in-the-u-a-e/ Jumy on Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/jumys.horses/ Jumy’s livery yard: https://www.malathpaddockparadise.com/ Tango, the miniature horse: https://www.instagram.com/tangotheminiature/ Tango stacking rings: https://www.instagram.com/p/BY0VktphmWH/ The dogs who inhabit Mallath Paddock Paradise: https://www.instagram.com/thestabledog/ Mallath Paddock Paradise on Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/malath.paddock.paradise/   Adele, the horse trainer that Jumy got a lot of inspiration from: https://www.instagram.com/thewillingequine/ Dog trainer Amy: https://www.instagram.com/pawfectbehaviourme/