Stovetop mac-and-cheese is a simple dish, but there are many ways to get there. Deb Perelman, founder of the Smitten Kitchen blog, and New York Times food columnist J. Kenji López-Alt could spend hours discussing the art of perfecting a recipe—in fact they often do. They are the hosts of the new podcast The Recipe with Kenji and Deb. This week on Say More, they join Shirley to talk about what they would make for their favorite celebrities, cooking for picky kids, and the wisdom of online commenters. Email us at [email protected].