Host Karl attended the ChannelPro Live event in Columbus, Ohio. He interviewed two folks who are doing some cool things.  Wayne Small from Australia is retooling himself and his business to take a new approach to the Virtual CISO Role. Rather than just take a few vendor-focus courses, or training based on a standardized checklist, Wayne is working through a master's degree program in security that focuses on security at the highest and most technical level. We discuss the details. Mark Moreno has a very interesting (and rare) niche. He focuses on companies who are solidly in the 25-100 desktop range but have massive revenue and enterprise-level budgets. This niche brings some unusual problems dues to the larger nature of the projects. But money is not one of the issues! Mark talks about how he got started. Interestingly, he still only does work with people who signed managed service agreements with these folks. Mark is also working with Harry Brelsford on the MSP Rescue shows. Stay tuned to https://msprescue.pro/ for more information. ----- Our upcoming events and more: MASTERMIND LIVE – Tampa, FL – June 27-28th http://bit.ly/kernanmastermind Use “EARLYBIRD” as the coupon code to save $200! Check out Amy’s weekly newsletter!  Sign up now: https://mailchi.mp/thirdtier/small-business-tech-news Kernan Consulting “Weekly Tips”!  Sign up now: https://kernanconsulting.com/  ----- Sponsor Memo: Huntress Today’s SMB Community Podcast is brought to you by Huntress Managed Security. Cybersecurity is more than software—it’s also the expertise needed to effectively fight against today’s evolving threat landscape. Huntress Managed Security is custom-built to provide human expertise and save your clients from cyber threats. Huntress’ suite of fully managed cybersecurity solutions is powered by a 24/7, human-led SOC dedicated to around-the-clock monitoring, expert investigation, and rapid response. While you focus on growing your business, we provide first response to hackers. Huntress has the #1 rated EDR for SMBs on G2 and a partner support Satisfaction score average of 99%. To start a trial today, visit https://huntress.com/karl :-)