In this episode, Paul talks to Ish Shabazz about how to integrate UIKit and SwiftUI in the same application, how to succeed as an indie developer, programming with purpose, and more. Detailed topics: Introduction  What are the advantages of SwiftUI over UIKit? What should you use for new apps: SwiftUI or UIKit? Has SwiftUI made you want to build apps for macOS, tvOS, and watchOS How to integrate UIKit and SwiftUI in the same application What is the best process to work on an indie app? How to make your app stand out on the App Store How to get featured by Apple How could Apple make the App Store better for developers? Programming with purpose How to help someone get into programming How does curiosity apply to iOS developers? Do you need a CS degree to be an iOS developer? How to break down a huge project into manageable parts How to find your purpose in life Wrap up