Ben is joined by the PodFather, Daniel Shoptaw, while Nate is off in Europe. They discuss Dune, the various health related problems the Cardinals are facing and the Dylan Cease trade.  Shoulda, coulda the Cardinals matched the haul the Padres sent to the White Sox?  Will Nate make it back from his trip?  Robo umps are coming!Ben and Daniel also break down the Brewers, catch up on league news and play a game! Talking About Birds is listener supported on Patreon. Support the show and join our private discord server at: www.patreon.com/talkingaboutbirds.