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Counterintuity
That's What C! Said
“That’s What C! Said” features interviews with leaders and doers who have helped to make their communities, or aspects of the world, a better place through their actions — and especially through marketing, communications, and embracing change. Hosted by Counterintuity creative strategist Lee Wochner.
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Is your nonprofit leveraging its real estate effectively? Lee Wochner and real estate expert Barry Burnett explore the intricate dynamics behind successful real estate management for nonprofits. This episode reveals when it's beneficial for nonprofits to hold onto property and when it's...
Published 04/18/24
In this episode, Lee is joined by Paul Jan Zdunek. The two recount critical aspects of executing a successful organizational turnaround for the Pasadena Symphony and Pops. Zdunek’s strategic prowess and Counterintuity’s innovative marketing reinvigorated the Symphony's brand and connection with...
Published 04/04/24
Published 04/04/24
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