I spoke to Dr. Quito Swan of Indiana University on revolutionary scientist Pauulu Kamarakafego and his journey through the Black Pacific, Black Atlantic & Africa to decolonize science.  We discuss the differences between the Black Pacific & Black Atlantic, how colonizers used their hold over science to cower the colonized, and how revolutionaries like Paulu (Known as ROOSE in his native Bermuda) sought to turn science against the colonizers and decolonize science. For more w. Dr. Swan please see his new book ' Pasifika Black' coming out this April 2022 on NYU Press about the Black Pacific: https://nyupress.org/9781479885084/pasifika-black/ And for more on Dr. Swan's work on the life of Pauulu Kamarakafego you can find his text 'Pauulu's Diaspora' on University of Florida Press: https://www.google.com/search?q=pauulu%27s+diaspora&oq=pauulu%27s+diaspora&aqs=chrome..69i57j69i60l2.3939j0j4&sourceid=chrome&ie=UTF-8 Music by Scarim: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=E-1qktFaGpE