Healthcare is a complex system, and if we want to make changes such as those needed for sustainable healthcare, we need to work across multiple teams, and make sure we hear everyone’s voice, including our patients’. In this episode we’ll discuss how we can communicate and work with those different groups, and some novel ways of getting the message across from T-rexes worth of plastic gloves to art made out of surgical waste.   Guests for this episode: Nicola Wilson, lead clinical educator, Great Ormond Street Children’s hospital, and Maria Koijck, artist and former patient. You can read more about the Gloves are Off project here https://www.gosh.nhs.uk/news/gloves-are-off/   You can see Maria’s film here: https://www.mariakoijck.com/