We’ve heard throughout the series from people who have a passion for sustainability, and have successfully made changes in their organisations to reduce the planetary impact of their work. In doing so, they will have recruited other people who have a similar outlook - but they will have also convinced people who aren’t prioritising sustainability.   In this last podcast of the series, we’re delving into that - how to talk to colleagues and patients, in ways which connect with their own needs and preferences.   To help with that, we’re joined by David Pencheon, director of the Sustainable Development Unit for NHS England, who’s been successfully talking about these issues for years, and Kate Wylie, executive director of Doctors for the Environment Australia.