Derogation, the way in which striking doctors can be recalled to the ward to protect patient safety, was agreed by NHS England and the BMA. Now, new data The BMJ has uncovered shows that the mechanism was rarely used - and when it was tried, was often rejected. Gareth Iacobucci explains what that means about relations between the government, the NHS, and doctors. Felice Jacka, director of the Food & Mood Centre at Deakin University, is one of the authors of our recent ultra-processed foods umbrella review - and joins the podcast to talk about the link between diet and health; and why goverments need to pay more attention to the food system. Finally, John Appleby, senior associate at the Nuffield Trust, and Gillian Leng, dean and president elect of the Royal Society of medicine, have been thinking about healthcare funding, and how more stability is essential in securing the service's future.   Reading list Hospital leaders warned that failure to recall striking doctors risked patient safety in some trusts, documents show Ultra-processed food exposure and adverse health outcomes NHS funding for a secure future   Chapters 00:31 Derogation and doctor strikes 06:59 Ultra processed food producers and health 13:59 Rethinking NHS funding