Grant and Cheyanne Skeldon, who work extensively with next-gen leaders, join Carey on the podcast for the first time. Grant and Cheyanne talk about what the next generation thinks is wrong with the church and why there's no next-gen crisis but a discipleship crisis. They discuss the difference and importance of close friends and close-up friends and Carey asks their predictions about the future church.   Show Notes On The Rise Newsletter Preaching Cheat Sheet Watch on YouTube Follow @careynieuwhof Follow @theartofleadershipnetwork   Brought to you by The Art of Leadership Network   _____ The Carey Nieuwhof Leadership Podcast: Empowering Church Leaders in the Digital Age   In a rapidly evolving digital age, the Carey Nieuwhof Leadership Podcast delves deep into the intricacies of leadership, offering management insights and authentic leadership tips to help you rise above the unhealthy patterns that often plague today's church leaders.  Carey addresses character issues like envy that can hinder our growth, and he emphasizes the power of multiplication – the idea that true leadership is not about adding followers but multiplying leaders. Whether you're on the brink of resignation, seeking a fresh perspective on digital how-to strategies, or simply wishing to bolster your leadership skills, this podcast is a treasure trove of transformative insights. Join Carey as he navigates the multifaceted world of leadership, ensuring that you're equipped and inspired to lead more effectively.