In Part 5 of the Church Trends series, John Mark Comer talks about the crisis in discipleship. John Mark also dives into the stages of spiritual growth, why weekend services and sermons aren't resonating like they used to, and how to determine your real motives. John Mark Comer and Carey discuss what's wrong with today's church services and why they're perhaps not enough, and why John Mark is no longer traveling and speaking. Show Notes Free 2024 Church Trends Team Guide On The Rise Newsletter Preaching Cheat Sheet Watch on YouTube Follow @careynieuwhof Follow @theartofleadershipnetwork   This episode is sponsored by: 2024 CHURCH TRENDS TEAM GUIDE After years of chaos and heartache for many church leaders, it’s a great time to look to the future. The horizon ahead isn’t all roses, but at least it’s addressable.  You can get my exclusive 7 church trends to watch in 2024, insights, and a team guide for FREE at 2024churchtrends.com.   SUBSPLASH Growing churches focus on discipleship in our digital world and your church can be one of them. Join 17,000 other churches partnering with Subsplash to make disciples in a hybrid reality at subsplash.com/carey and receive a $500 credit when you sign up.     Brought to you by The Art of Leadership Network