This week on the podcast, I am joined by spiritual director, therapist, and author Chuck DeGroat, to talk all about narcissism, including its defining traits and characteristics, as well as ways both churches and individuals can heal from and prevent abuse from narcissistic leaders. The conversation in this episode is inspired by the topics and themes of my book "A Jumble of Crumpled Papers".   Get your copy of “A Jumble of Crumpled Papers” here: https://www.amazon.com/gp/aw/d/B0BCD5PMX5/ref=tmm_kin_swatch_0?ie=UTF8&qid=&sr=      Connect with us! Austin's Instagram: www.instagram.com/austin_noll  Podcast's Instagram: www.instagram.com/crumpledpaperspodcast  Email us at [email protected]   Check out "When Narcissism Comes To Church" on Amazon: https://www.amazon.com/When-Narcissism-Comes-Church-Community/dp/1514005093/ref=sr_1_1?crid=13E08F8H84H8F&keywords=when+narcissism+comes+to+church&qid=1701658469&sprefix=when+narc%2Caps%2C114&sr=8-1    Get in touch with Chuck! www.chuckdegroat.net